And then again, not so sold on the brutal schedule and the no yoga part. But what are those if not my own preferences?
I am happy to be back and to have time for tea and writing, I can so appreciate the little things after living like a monk for only three days. Hearing the sound of my own voice, yes call me vain, I am today, drinking green tea when I want to, not having to listen to a discourse and then meditate some more when is way pass my bed time. Again, my preferences.
I have to say that all in all, having survived the three day retreat now I am even more sold on why Vipassana works so well. If only the schedule was not so full! Here are the three reasons:
The first reason why I is because the technique is based on reality, on what happens for real, not on beliefs or dogma or what somebody says (although we do get the message from somebody, a teacher, it is said to come directly from a lineage that derives from the Buddha, weather this is true or not will have to be verified individually and measured by the results).
The only way we have to relate to the world is through our bodies, and it is in the body that we first register a sensation, say light or cold, or lust or whatever, then, from that sensation we either a) like it b) dislike it or c) are indifferent to it.
This is how the world works, claims Vipassana. We feel something and we react with liking it or not which in turns results in us craving some more if we liked it, or aversion towards it and not wanting anymore if we did not.
As long as we crave or repel we are miserable. A little investigation into this may result in the realization that this is at the origin of every single thing we do.
So? how do we get to peace? to happiness? to liberation? we sit with the body.
For the first part of the course we focus on concentration just on the breath and to get the mind calm. On the second part we do Vipassana, where we scan the body for sensation and we realize without imagination, without thinking, without theories but working with what is actually happening in the body with sensation, and we remain observant, without reacting, in perfect equanimity. In this way, the next time we feel something like that we will not be so reactive and eventually we purify the mind deeply, at the deepest level and find peace.
Goenka says in one of his discourses of the three day course that there are plenty of meditation techniques out there and they all help in bringing peace but if they are not dealing with sensation at the body level then they are only doing superficial work. To clear the mind of its deeply rooted samskaras we need to scan with equanimity, observe, and let be.
Easier said than done. I think for the first time I really got this concept and it was not peaceful to meditate, oh no!, it was intense, and having to remain equanimous in the face of the pain that was surfacing for me required the bravery of an Arjuna of sorts.
The second point is that the teacher himself presents the real reason why anyone would teach. He says that the real goal of an enlightened person would be to get others to be enlightened, not to create a new religion or trend or sect. Hmm, talk about the credibility factor here.
The third reason is in the pudding, we were about 95 people (a lot more women than men as we hear is always the case), a full center, a free meditation retreat (free meals/lodging/teachers), and centers sprouting all over the world based on donations. Donations? yeap, nobody gets paid, or maybe one person per center (somebody has to run things), but they do not make money. The centers are run by people like you and me and anyone is invited to the meetings, anyone can get involved.
This center in particular (in Massachusetts) is building an extension to the Pagoda because they have so many people taking their 40 day course (something I cannot even begin to imagine!) that they need room to run the 40 day alongside the 10 day courses. They gave us a tour, the whole project costs 3.6 million, they already have 2.7 due to a recent large donation. It worked for somebody so much as to put over a million in... money talks sometimes I suppose.
There were things I did not like, like Goenka chanting, or the feeling like I was in jail. Then again, who is creating that feeling? May we all be liberated.
I wish Vipassana could be twitted, how can this be put in 140 characters?
Another note, thank you James for posting things while I was away meditating.
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Hi Claudia,
ReplyDeleteThank for posting this. I was interested in your reflections. I did a vipassana retreat about 11 years ago but in a different tradition. I'm interested in what you feel the benefit of a retreat is, compared with just daily practice. I'm sure you do both, what I mean I guess is, why retreat, does it help you to meditate day to day and or your experience in the world.
How long do you meditate for usually and how do you fit it in with your ashtanga. I'm just starting to commit to daily meditation again, the last couple of weeks, after toying with it on and off.
Helen, this is a great question, or rather, couple of questions. I will actually, if you dont mind, turn it into a post because I believe there is a lot here, could I use your question in it? thanks for visiting :-)
ReplyDeleteSure of course, hope you don't mind me questioning. Lol, I was thinking that even my question was turning into a blog post.
ReplyDeleteYes, it is very interesting Helen, I am beginning to get a sense that ashtanga and Vipassana complement each other, where Ashtanga helps enormously with the first four limbs, Vipassana IS the last four, in very practical, easy terms, in very concrete real terms... oh, I have so many ideas and inspirations on this, I am grateful to your question, we are in such a fascinating path!
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ReplyDeleteI don't do Vipassana, but I am a Buddhist, and I totally agree with you that the only way we have to relate to the world is through our bodies. Whether we feel pain, or pleasure (or nothing?), the body is there to stay, and we have to work with it, one way or the other. The question is: What is the most productive relationship we can have with this body, so that it becomes a vehicle towards self-realization and helps us achieve greater self-illumination and be of service to our fellow beings? This is what keeps me going in my yoga practice.
That is a very good way to look at it Nobel, and definitelly the body is the way to self realization, which, although big words, I am more and more getting to understand that is total peace with full discrimination... Also, the helping part, the how can we be of better service, this is something that is also in my mind often, how to do it yet keep it real, how to be a channel yet not be phony... well that is how I see it or question it...
ReplyDeleteYou bring up good points
i'm sure you had to work on this one-they make you clean/cook if you are an old student. did that help? what did you do? i don't mind not doing yoga during it because it helps me become non-attached to it. funny but i found that i did not need anything really. sitting in lotus for 10 hours a day is plenty! the discourse is my favorite part. goenka makes a lot of sense. so do the volunteer teachers. it's perfect, really. non-profit, open to anyone regardless of income (not the same with yoga costing 15-20 bucks a class-elitist)
ReplyDeleteI only had to clean my room before leaving and I also signed up for some very light volunteering during the course, something like cleaning two bathrooms in my own break time, other than that nothing, I guess if I was to go as a server it would be different, the servers get to sit at the three groups sittings but nothing else... I also enjoy the goenka speeches very much, he makes a lot of sense like you say, it is all very rational, so clean and so real, amazing, but for me it is difficult as my mind is used to go to sleep by no later than 830 most of the time.... Amazing that you actually sit in lotus for that long. What center did you do yours at?
ReplyDeleteOne of my ashtanga teachers (wife of my regular teacher) is VERY into Vipassana ... very linked in with Ashtanga. Great that you did this! I'm not ready for that yet, but can see how I may be before long.
ReplyDeleteHi Loo, yes, I would agree with the very linked comment :)
ReplyDeleteGreat post Claudia. I stopped vipassana this summer in favour of Japa mantra meditation, kind of miss it. Been wondering though if it (vipassana) doesn't end up being counterproductive. Can so easily slip over into analyzing rather than noticing. Been thinking about going back to it though and giving it another try, this time after asana and pranayama.
ReplyDeleteYes I hear you, I have noticed that you like philosophy, and to think about things, quite a bit... For what I understand also you tried a different kind of vipassana, not the goenka per say, not in pure form as in the dhamma centers, I will say one thing, and that is that in these retreats, Goenka makes it a point again and again and again as he guided us, that this is not about theories, or ideas, or thinking or visualizing or imagining, it is just and only just about what it is, for real, that we are feeling in the body, and remaining equanimous in the face of what we rare really feeling, maybe cold maybe heat maybe perspiration, maybe throbbing, maybe itching, pain, tension, oh yes, he goes on the whole list, and he has more words, don't quite know how he knows so many!
ReplyDeleteSo, the One thing that is discouraged is thinking, in any form... In this type they encourage you to just be with what is in the body, and also not to get stuck on one part or to seek parts that have strong sensation but rather to keep scanning, so that it does not become a game, a mind game, you go up and down, in order...
I never really know what might work for others, but I I will tell you a secret, on day two, for some reason, when bored of scanning the body, you popped into my mind... Maybe a sign? Hee hee
i think the idea is the same, just noticing, not supposed to be analyzing or thinking but I think when you move from the body to work on noticing emotions, thoughts and intentions then you can fall into that trap, it's tricky. I should give the Goenka retreat a try, there were a couple of guys on my course who had just been on one a few days before. And I just had my first practice after a week and hadn't lost anything so i'm sure I could go ten days.
ReplyDeleteHmmm. yes I have been thinking about the moving into emotions intentions etc... You know, in my own very short experience these past 3 days, I noticed that emotions do come, I had pretty much no choice. So, I began to look at how interlinked they are, I would be upset about my sister or my dad's passing and that caused enormous pain in the chest, but i just got back to observing the body and staying with the sensation of that, ignoring the other part.
ReplyDeletei am curious about this technique that then moves into the emotion, I suppose you sort of feel the emotion? then feel the though?
I wonder about this, I wonder if you can feel these, or, as you say, just "notice"
Hmm... food for thought here
there's an article in it or rather a chapter from Gil's book
ReplyDeletehttp://www.insightmeditationcenter.org/books-articles/the-issue-at-hand/
also he does a series of podcasts on this here http://amberstar.libsyn.com/index.php?post_category=Mindfulness%20Meditation%20Course
i think the one on emotions is probably the third week, I forget .
Gee, Grimmly, thank you for this
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